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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/11/2009 23:55:51 Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/11/2009 23:52:54 Originally by: Emily Elderburry One of the main issues is that players who already have purchased MS/Supercarriers will essentially be shafted 8-10 billion isk if the patch is released. Thems the breaks kid. Prices of items go up and down depending on game balancing. * My tech three ships took a nose dive in price once CCP meddled with the costs to produce. * My pirate BS however, Increased in price when CCP announced the boosts. * My snake implant set nosedived when CCP (guess the dev) meddled with speed. * Your MS takes a nosedive if this change goes through * Some of my large tech II rigs i was producing took a beating when they release medium and small rigs (i have many cruiser hulls with tech II large rigs in also) Thats life. Just goes to show - nobodys safe and Dont Buy what you cant afford to Get Nerfed (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.13 00:01:00 - [2] Originally by: Sinc hmm i really hope ccp think about some reinbushment for everyone who owns these ships or have them in build allready. There is a lot building them right up to dominion hits .. who now have to sell them for less then buildcost, because you suddenly changes everything. Changes on SISI are labled every 10 seconds as NOT FINAL CHANGES ARE NOT FINAL SO DONT BUILD EXPECTING THEM TO BE You were speculating despite the warnings and now you have lost out. Bad luck. Prices can go down as well us up. SKUNK (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.13 00:17:00 - [3] Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 00:19:45 Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 00:18:49 Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 13/11/2009 00:06:19 Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Sinc hmm i really hope ccp think about some reinbushment for everyone who owns these ships or have them in build allready. There is a lot building them right up to dominion hits .. who now have to sell them for less then buildcost, because you suddenly changes everything. Changes on SISI are labled every 10 seconds as NOT FINAL CHANGES ARE NOT FINAL SO DONT BUILD EXPECTING THEM TO BE You were speculating despite the warnings and now you have lost out. Bad luck. Prices can go down as well us up. SKUNK Your logic does not equate for people that would have been building them anyway had the boost announcement never gone ahead. What about those people who weren't "Speculating" but were just doing what they had been doing all this time since they started building supercaps? What happens for all the people with build jobs now that end after dominion? Do they get refunded the unneeded materials post dominion or do the minerals simply go off into the abyss? Why should they? -->DONT FLY WHAT YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE Rule 1 of eve. All you capital pilots should know this. There is a long line of ships, modules, skills, and implants losing value (or indeed gaining value) due to changes in the game. This is known to pretty much every player, and especially players old enough to fly capital ships. When invention came out - T2 BPO holders lost a fortune. Were you threatening to leave then? Or have you been hapily and greedily snapping up cheap tech 2 items. I didn't get any isk back when medium and small rigs came out for example. I have cruiser sat in my bay with large tech 2 rigs fitted. If these MOM whiners are getting money back - I want my money back to! SKUNK (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.13 00:35:00 - [4] Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 00:36:13 Originally by: Battle Tested so is CCP gonna reimburse me the 6 billion isk difference? I finally built one specifically for the new role and loved the looks of it....now you completely nerf it to be worthless again and on top of that are reducing build cost by 50% and expect us to praise you? anybody got a link to the new Star Trek Online game? I think it's time to leave EVE and find a new game. Hang on You got a ship built because of what it was like ON THE TEST SERVER The very same test server which is well known to be for the testing of POSSIBLE new game features You looked at the thread outlining the changes which was PLASTERED WITH DISCLAIMERS SAYING PROPOSED CHANGES WERE NOT FINAL So you speculated, and lost out. Bad luck. Markets go down as well as up. Now you are going to play star trek online (tee hee) because some more non final changes have been announced. This is what you are telling us? And we should be upset to see you leave because? SKUNK (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.13 00:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Tebis eh most of the rage is over how this was presented to the community rather than the actual nerf.. it was pretty terrible PR If youve played the game long enough to afford and be able to fly a super cap - you will be no strange to CCPs woefull PR. So dont act all shocked and melodramatic. You will also remember, however, CCP Zuluparks "proposed carrier nerf" which never hit the game due to massive whinage from capital pilots. Given the time between then and now, and the skill training times and isk costs of the MOM, I suspect its THE VERY SAME WHINERS WHO CRUSHED CCP ZULUPARK THAT ARE TRYING TO SQUASH CCP NOZH. Im giving 2 to 1 on, that CCP back down again on this one. You wait and see SKUNK (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.13 00:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 00:52:06 Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 00:51:07 Originally by: Cold Burn The Dev Blog That was two months ago. They described changes that are no where close to what they've put in place. I don't think it's unreasonable, after two months of no further changes, to see something and expect not to see a ridiculous, huge change in cost. People have made plans based on what they've seen not only show up on the test server, but stay there for two months, through an entire weekend designed to test it? Plastered with disclaimers? I don't see much in the way of disclaimers in that blog post. Maybe some sideways hints, but there isn't even the traditional 'As always, these changes are not final' at the end of the post. If they had come in from the beginning and said 'hey, your losing half your drones, and the ships are getting cheaper' then I don't think you'd see nearly the outcry that letting people build the ships has generated, and then turning around and simply stealing half the value from them. Quote: CCP Abathurs first post: Please use this thread to discuss all things Supercarrier related. Bear in mind that the numbers on the test server are subject to (and probably will) change more than once in the coming weeks. It clearly states numbers MAY CHANGE from what is on the test server. In fact it says they PROBABLY WILL change. In fact it even goes further to say they probably will change MORE THEN ONCE. How more explicit can they get? If you took a gamble and lost, bad luck. Be more prudent in future. Quote: We wanted to get this information out sooner rather than later to ensure time for proper feedback and balancing. I do fail to see however that if they felt the need to put the information out three months early to ensure proper testing, feedback and balacing - why they now suddenly only need two weeks to achieve the proper testing, feedback and balancing for the new setups SKUNK (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.13 01:05:00 - [7] Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 01:06:37 Originally by: Battle Tested exactly, they stated in stone "THIS IS THE NEW MOTHERSHIP CHANGES" not this is a test to see if we like it. they told us that this is the new mothership and even changed it's name to supercarrier, posted all specs, took praise from the community and then turned around and slapped us in the face. This is what is written in that blog Quote: Motherships no more... Perhaps no ships in EVE symbolize the majesty of the game more than the Nyx, Wyvern, Aeon and Hel. Featured in dozens of player-made movies, official trailers and screenshots, it is a sad testimony that their presence has not been a factor on the capital battlefields of EVE for quite some time. The simple fact is that this class of ship now stays mostly parked on trained alts and is rarely used as they are nothing more than expensive targets for hungry legions of Dread pilots. No more. Motherships are being reclassified as Supercarriers. The name of æMothership' has long caused confusion as to what the intended role of these ships was supposed to be but we are finally putting that to rest. This refocusing will see these ships go through a few changes. Gone will be: + The ability for Supercarriers to fit Triage modules. + The ability for Supercarriers to fit Clone Vat Bays. + The ability for Supercarriers to fit one additional Warfare Link per level. One side effect of this change is that the build cost for Supercarriers will go down slightly as they will no longer require the Capital Clone Vat Bay components. What are they getting? In addition to receiving their own hit point boost, Supercarriers are going to get new teeth in the form of the deadly new Fighter Bombers they can launch. Fighter Bombers have exactly one purpose: to destroy capital ships and look very cool while doing so. Here is the Gallente version: Fighter Bombers will be unique to the Supercarrier class, launching specialized torpedoes capable of inflicting immense damage against other capital ships. We are still looking at a few other ideas that will help Supercarriers do their jobs more effectively and you may see those popping up on SiSi in the coming weeks. One more thing - the Hel is getting rid of its current repair bonuses and trading them in for bonuses that enhance the endurance of its Fighters and Fighter Bombers. I guess the Flight Deck Chiefs on Hels like duct taping spare bits of armor onto their strike craft or something... Where does this contradict the MOM in its new proposed state? Hit point boost, Fighter Bomber capability, No more triage/clone bay, drop in build price (albeit erroneously quantified as "slightly"). Its all there SKUNK (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.13 07:01:00 - [8] Looking forward to my cheap MOM here :) Thanks CCP for bringing capitals to the masses. Three cheers for CCP HIP HIP SKUNK (o)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.13 19:38:00 - [9] Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 19:37:48 Take one rebalance. Add 300 whining MOM pilots. Result: 1) HP boosted, ewar immune, unkillable Dock/Undock MOMs..... 2) Reimbursement president set. SKUNK (o)

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